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Quest -

He probably had a studio in his house, that's a broadcaster's voice
Just for fun, I recorded my own, too. kinda grassroot compared to againstwind's, and not as much
emotion.



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Taibei -

Although it's often done, using a poem written in a language different than and, more to the
point, pronounced very differently than modern standard Mandarin to practice the pronunciation of
modern standard Mandarin has always seemed to me a strange approach.










HashiriKata -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Taibei

Although it's often done, using a poem....to practice the pronunciation of modern standard
Mandarin has always seemed to me a strange approach.


I think you're off topic here but never mind, can you point out what features of the poem that may
hinder people from pronouncing things correctly? Anything in this poem that has rendered it
unsuitable for use to practise pronunciation?










studentyoung -



Quote:

"(The emperor was) contemplating digging his own grave"

My, my ~ ~! Your words remind me of another well-known verse, “牡丹花下死，做鬼也风流
Died for that peony-like beauty, my ghost is still considered as romantic.”

Thanks!










sjcma -

风流 = romantic ??










Taibei -



Quote:

can you point out what features of the poem that may hinder people from pronouncing things
correctly? Anything in this poem that has rendered it unsuitable for use to practise pronunciation?

A lot depends on what is interpreted as "pronouncing things correctly." I'm looking at this from a
different perspective.

No type of literature is more dependent upon sound and the specific music of a language than
poetry. One thing that is certain about the poem you chose to recite, however, is that it was not
written in modern standard Mandarin -- far from it. The sounds you use, while they might be right
for Mandarin, are wrong for the poem itself because it just wasn't written with those sounds in
mind. It's a little bit as if someone studying modern Italian chose to recite a sonnet by Petrarch
in the original Latin by pronouncing it as if it were Italian. While that might not be exactly a
crime and the poem would still have some value, finding a contemporary poem written in the desired
language would be a more effective way to get to the heart of the sound of the language.

My advice to language learners: If you want to practice the pronunciation of modern standard
Mandarin, try doing so with something actually written in that language.










HashiriKata -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Taibei

I'm looking at this from a different perspective.


Then, you should have started a different thread to display your knowledge. As it is clearly
stated in my first post, I only borrowed the poem for checking my Mandarin pronunciation, and my
reading was never intended to be a poem recital. I'm sure you know what I was doing, don't you?
There're also 4 other readings by native speakers, and all read it in modern Mandarin. You wanted
to tell them that they're all wrong and you know better, didn't you?




Quote:


Originally Posted by Taibei

My advice to language learners: If you want to practice the pronunciation of modern standard
Mandarin,...


My advice to you is if you want to give advice to others, first learn some modesty or your wisdom
is going to be wasted. Secondly, keep to the point with your advice and don't offer what is
uncalled for. This thread is asking specifically for comments on my pronunciation. Did you
contribute anything in this regard?










againstwind -



Quote:

He probably had a studio in his house, that's a broadcaster's voice

You're kidding. Actually, I recorded with Cool Edit. Anyone knows this software?

Eventually heard Quset's voice. Haha~~~~~ Interesting. I think we should encourage people who
upload their records and share with others. This is really a good way.




Quote:

My advice to language learners: If you want to practice the pronunciation of modern standard
Mandarin, try doing so with something actually written in that language.

winged words.

Indeed, classic or even ancient Chinese poems shouldn't have been read in modern standard Mandarin.

But if you do like, just read as you like it.
I do like reading poems. This Monday in my course on British Literature, I read the Bard of Avon's
sonnet 18 without knowing if people in his time read like me. Anyway, I just like reading poems.










Quest -

HK, can the poem be read in Vietnamese, can you post a Vietnamese version? Just curious about the
sounds and traces.










studentyoung -



Quote:

My advice to language learners: If you want to practice the pronunciation of modern standard
Mandarin, try doing so with something actually written in that language.

Well, I have no idea on the condition in Taibei, but in China mainland, 1~ 3 year old little
babies are often taught to recite ‘Three Hundred Poems in Tang Dynasty 唐诗三百首’ as
their enlightening education to train their sense of their mother tongue by their parents,
especially in intellectual families, because these poems are well written with beautiful rhymes
and easy enough for babies to read out loud, which are just the right points to help them practice
the pronunciation. A lot of experts in early education say it helps young children to read (no
matter to read out loud or to read in silence) more easily when they start to learn Chinese in
primary school.

Hehe, anyway, my words are just for your reference.

Thanks!












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